Originally Posted by
ERflyer
I remember listening to Lee Moak a few years ago. Yes, I know he’s not a fan of a few wingnuts. But he was pragmatic and we did make more coin and recovered faster than any other legacy carrier union at the time.
His point was that if a union asks for an amount that is unreasonable - then management laughs. And we go nowhere. They deal in costs and numbers - and reality. It’s one thing to push the edge - we should - but it’s another to look ridiculous. Essentially unprofessional and uneducated.
Now I don’t know what we are asking. But it appears to be so ridiculous that the MEC is too embarrassed to tell us, we who pay them, what we are asking. What is it? Tell me and if it is not insane I will back you to the hilt. But don’t tell me to trust you and be unified and then treat us like mushrooms.
Pilot costs increased by what, 30% last time? We asked for 40% over three years (they told us) and we got 30% over four years. A compromise. But if we’re asking for 100% this time ...... I hope it’s a rumor that will be quelled with more information to us.
And yes, it’s a given the company always wants to give us zero. Or negative. Clearly this time they’ll have to fork over more money. What’s the surprise there? The trick is to be able to get a lot of money by being able to negotiate.
So the MEC needs to get us completely on their side with some information. Unity comes with information.
what would you consider an unreasonable ask in pay rates? My guess is the pay raise ask isn't high...they are focusing on work rules and the company hates that. In the past this pilot group would trade work rules for pay rates and the company loved it....finally the pilots have woken up and said enough....The company would love to throw a 20% pay raise at us if it got them the work rule concessions they wanted...thankfully we have said no.