Originally Posted by SparkySmith

I would like to talk numbers instead of feelings here and Q1 and Q2 are good starts. I've asked for cost data and have gotten none, so I'm not too excited about our prospects of getting them from the union.

However, we should have the data to do the arithmetic on 1 & 2 and I'm willing to do it. I need some help, though. For starters, I don't have pay tables before the current PWA, so if somebody has a source that would get me going.

My goal will be to take those pay tables and build a spreadsheet with various model careers that represent what various people hired at different points, in the two airlines and making different decisions would have seen in pay and retirement benefits.

So I'd need some proposed models that represent boundaries of the possible. Put these together and we can end up with the best and worse cases and we can commence arguing about how many of these and how much impact a given choice should have on their current retirement expectations. For this, I need folks to reply with a model for a career that we should be talking about. For instance:

Pilot A
Born 1957
Hired at DAL 1989
72 FE 1989-1995
NB FO 1995-2005
767-400(Int) FO 2005-2015
NB CA 2015-present

Pilot B
Born 1957
Hired at NWA 2000
DC-9 FO 2000-2001
Furloughed 2001-2007
A320 FO 2007-2013
B717 CA 2013 to present

I made those up from whole cloth; give me realistic models that represent the low and high earners (maybe some in the middle, too) and I'll have the second piece of the inputs.

Lastly, I need a source on the PBGC calculation and the claim or payouts that occurred on or after the bankruptcy. I know there were silos and the calculations are complex; if I have a document or a source I'll give it a go or tell you I've failed.

I want some numbers to examine and I'm willing to work. I'd love some data to work with. Hit me with questions.