I agree, I wish we'd see the union doing things right now in between contracts (and while the majority of the other airlines are in negotiations) to bring the pilot group together, get people better informed on things we want next time. I don't think it's ever too soon to be looking forward, and let's face it, with this group, and the animosity people have towards each other, ie. yes vs no voters, outspoken (77) vs status quo, people too busy celebrating small individual "wins" in the current contract, "we're too many cycles away from a good contract", "we have to wait 8 years why bother now", etc, the union has its work cut out for it. Or, if they don't think it's worth their trouble, they should delegate some group (with the appropriate resources) to get this long process going.

Yeah 70% of the guys here think this is or was originally a great contract, 30% don't, 50% seem to be lying about how they voted, but it doesn't matter anymore. We need to try and get everyone on the same side now, and with the amount of division we have now, it's going to take some time to do that.