Originally Posted by
Myfingershurt
And you can always drop the f-bomb on them.
Originally Posted by
ERflyer
They will always find someone to take the trip unless there are not enough pilots a available. Always.
Originally Posted by
DWC CAP10 USAF
If by “illegal” you are referring to 23.M.7 that allows a scheduler to skip the 23.N and 23.O coverage ladders, I think it’s more accurate to call it an “allowed deviation” since it’s actually written in the contact. Having said that, it’s allowed because they have to pay the guy/gal that should have picked up that flying via a WS/GS. This is why it’s critical to send all reroutes to MEC Sched Committee so they can figure out if 23.M.7 was used and if so, that the other pilots gets paid.
Originally Posted by
Herkflyr
And are you going to be the one who "denies" the reroute? Are you the reroute subject matter expert? I wouldn't press to test on that because you just "know" it's illegal.
The post above mine spells it out nicely. If a reroute is illegal, let the ALPA experts look at it and they will pay protect those who are due it. I wouldn't recommend saying "NO" to crew tracking based on a hunch, just to sow some oats and "show em who's boss."
Originally Posted by
tunes
That’s not how it works. Unless it’s a 117 violation it’s a fly now grieve later thing
23.L.13.d
"A crew that is unable to accept a reroute due to an FAR or PWA conflict will contact the Company via ACARS or radio and so advise."
This is directly from the contract under in-flight reroutes. If you're not in-flight, then the only other way to be notified of a reroute is in person from a company representative (i.e. your FO or CA with the same reroute who has acknowledged their rotation
and told you about it) or voluntarily acknowledging (i.e. blue MiCrew "Acknowledge" button, iCrew password, or answering your phone)
If you aren't notified, you aren't rerouted.
If you are notified, so
me examples of PWA violations are:
Tag on (23.L.2.b)
14 hours (23.L.4.Note)
More than one extra duty period (23.L.10)
Fly now, grieve later applies AFTER you tell the company about the violation. If you refuse the reroute, and they knowingly violate the PWA, then you are required to fly the reroute and, if you want, grieve later.
Interestingly, DALPA lists some exceptions to the fly now grieve later policy in the Scheduling Reference Handbook:
Exceptions to the “Fly Now and Grieve Later” Policy
Under the PWA, you are not required to:
Accept other than Delta One accommodations on an ocean crossing DH (Section 16 D. 1.)
Accept a reroute into tag-on flying as a regular pilot (Section 23 L. 2. b.)
I don't know how or why they cherry picked those two exceptions.
Another option if crew tracking denies your denial, is to call your chief pilot or duty pilot. They can't always help, but they will try.
I'm not encouraging a mass denial of reroutes to screw the company. I just want everyone aware of their protections in the PWA.