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No you were right about the topic, however I’m not smart enough, or privy to the actual numbers, to figure out how much anything is worth. The company went from saying that the $10 million in savings wasn’t worth it to them only being an $8 million in savings in the span of a week. I would think anything that ends with the word savings right now would be good. I just fly airplanes though.[/QUOTE]



Well, not that numbers can’t be misleading, but it is hard to “value” any proposal. I see over at the much vaunted UAL, they offered a second round of “SRL’s” for May. In SFO on the 777 CA, the company wanted 103 takers and got 1 .... on the FO side they wanted 243 and got 0. So for May, they “savings” to the company are essentially zip (at least in that category) . Caveat, their SRL was only going to pay 40 hours with some of it deferred to dec, so it seems like a shoddy deal and thus no takers. Conclusion? ALV’s are easy to cost out compared to SIL’s combined with early retirement.

So, that being said, it’s not too hard to plug some fairly realistic numbers in to what both the company and ALPA’s proposals are. I don’t get miffed when the guidance on “savings” are adjusted down by the company. ALV reductions are very easy to cost out, consequently, the company data seems pretty realistic. The data that the union put forth, is much more nebulous, and very ,very hard to interpret whether it’s accurate or not. If they want to make me a believer , they need to publish some #’s to go with the bar graphs. Heck, even the graphs didn’t have #’s on the scales. One of my pet leaves is maps/charts that don’t have a scale on them. Without it, planning is pretty difficult.....especially when it says map not to scale. My point? That’s what the”data” put forth by ALPA reminds me of. They required blind fealty to just trust their numbers, which makes the hair stand upon the back of my neck. Same, same when the company does it. So, that’s why I tried to run some hypotheticals from both sides. The company #’s fall within reason, ALPA’s numbers are impossible to quantify. That makes me go “Hmmm, is somebody trying to dupe me here?” I think ALL pilots should trust but verify