Originally Posted by
ReadOnly7
Still the same old broken record you’ve always been....right, Luis?
All I’ve try to do here is to explain in multiple different ways how there is no conflict of interest between regional pilot groups and mainline pilot groups of the same union (ALPA). But yes, when I summarize it to it’s simplest terms, it becomes repetitive.
That’s usually the case when trying to explain misconceptions.
Originally Posted by
baseball
I looked back at the last 30 years of ALPA emails. I have no surveys asking me if I wanted to "give away any routes or flying."
Mainline pilots are tired of playing "3 card Monty" We're also tired of arguing our point with regional MEC secretary treasurers.
"APA split off from ALPA in 1963, and "pretty much everyone has forgotten any reason why," said Mitch Groder, an American first officer based in Philadelphia." This from the below article. Recall the serious debate on why American didn't go back to ALPA? Could it be ALPA's over-representation of the regional sector? I would welcome the mainline pilots of American within ALPA. That would be huge. How do you pull that off? Aren't the American Airlines pilots interests alligned with the vast majority of mainline airline pilots in US and Canada?
Unhappy American pilots to push union switch after five decades
Oct 24, 2016, Bloomberg News
"Some pilots oppose the return to ALPA out of concern that dues would rise and that the bigger national structure is inefficient. Also, the larger union represents regional airline pilots, whose interests don't always line up with those of the bigger carriers."
Why did American Pilots leave ALPA in 1963?
The history on that is strikingly similar to today. APA was born because ALPA sued their own APA MEC and NC Chair. Why? APA disagreed with ALPA on two major things: Crew Compliment and qualifications and the turbo-prop study. This Turbo-prop study was essentially the genesis of the commuter industry which gave birth to the regional industry. Just saying.....If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably not a rabbit.
Again, this goes back to polling a bunch of people on how they feel about something. Peoples’ perceptions of something don’t make it true.
I’m not necessarily against changing ALPA’s dues structure or even spinning off regional ALPA pilots into their own association, separate and independent of ALPA. I’m just saying that as it is now, regional pilots cannot change the scope clauses of mainline pilots contract. And because of that fact, there is not a conflict of interest between regional ALPA pilots and mainline ALPA pilots.
Originally Posted by
Larry in TN
In the beginning, all flying was owned by management. There were no restrictions on how airline's allocated flying until the mainline pilot groups negotiated SCOPE into their contracts.
SCOPE restricts management, it does not allow anything. Everything is allowed, unless it is restricted by SCOPE.
I stand corrected...doesn’t change my point though. Once mainline pilots negotiate the scope of flying they will operate, no regional pilot group can change that. And even with a regional pilot group like Horizon or Skywest (even if they were hypothetically ALPA pilots), for example, have nothing to do with the flying they do for Alaska, whose pilots have no scope protections. In both cases, the regional pilot group has no say in the scope of flying the mainline pilots operate.