Originally Posted by
ugleeual
It doesn’t cost the company anything to furlough everyone still on probation on 10/1... in addition it only costs 1/2 month furlough pay for those with less than 2 years on property... and only 1 month furlough pay up to 3 years. Best case I’m thinking 1,000-1,500 on 10/1... worst case 30-35%.
they could save a lot of money not carrying extra NB FOs... and if demand picks up sooner it’s easy to recall and have them do a quick recall back in the same NB they left. If demand worse they can furlough more.
UAL is NOT paying furlough pay.
If pilots are in the bottom 4500 (especially bottom 2000) they need to understand that.
UPA Section
7-G-1-b Notwithstanding Sections 7-G-1 and 7-G-1-a, no furlough pay shall be due if the furlough is caused by an Act of God, labor dispute
or other circumstances over which the Company has no control.
The key word is
Notwithstanding. That word essentially null and voids 7G1 and 7G1a as well as or other circumstances. You could drive a Mack Truck through that whole.
The Company will argue this is beyond their control and will not pay. As a previous Furloughed UAL Pilot, I tell anyone that asks to expect the worst from the Company and don't expect on a ton of help from ALPA. COBRA is worthless. Start looking for a job NOW if you are in the bottom 1000-2000. Go back in Military/Reserve if you can. USA Jobs.gov. (Statistically more likely to die at your desk in a Gov Job than to be fired NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!) Furlough- It sucks.
Sorry if people don't like it but that was my truth.
Upside is that they can flush everyone to NB FO but you are still paid on your current seat until section
8-F-5 Pay Rate Protection kicks in.
Little solace but hell..you got to stop and smell the roses even if they are covered in dog $hit.