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Old 06-07-2020 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Upntheair27
Ok furlough fun time, false. I have many friends in medical profession and they are def not under counting like your yale garbage article "suspects". Back to your speculation hole. Don't need to spoil our return to normal life party.
Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
This article is over a month old and in California is 100% not true. We count anyone with Covid who dies, as a Covid death. Doesn’t matter if they had stage four cancer, brain tumor or car crash. All are Covid deaths. From someone on the “front lines” dealing with this every day at work, I know the death count is OVERstated. I do not need some Yale study and any political pressure that may influence them, to tell me what I see and feel every day. My city had a huge amount of Covid cases but our monthly death totals before and after have remained unchanged. The only difference is the cause of deaths that use to be unclassified are always labeled Covid deaths if they test positive. The hospitals, ems, and fire departments have a huge financial incentive to call as many deaths “Covid” as possible. We get direct funding from the feds based off the Covid death counts. I can not speak for other parts of the county however and will not try.
funny how you guys only ever rely on anecdotes and personal stories without sourcing your claims. your feelings don't matter here. If you think the article is wrong, post an article with empirical information instead of getting butthurt and whining about facts you wish weren't true. I also have friends in the medical profession, but knowing doctors and nurses doesn't mean your opinion counts for squat.

also, what political pressure is compromising Yale? I don't know if this is a symptom of America's cult of ignorance or tinfoil hat ranting, but why do you think Yale would put out research to satisfy political pressure? political pressure from who? and for what end?
the idea that Yale, one of the most respected higher education institutions in the world, which is also a private institution with a $30 billion dollar endowment (ie no need for uncle sam's money), would compromise its reputation and put out false information is frankly laughable. I think it's more likely that you don't have facts to dispute their claim.

Here are some more articles that suggest covid deaths are undercounted. Note that these are based on facts and figures, not feelings and emotions, which seems to be how yall like to debate:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/13/854873605/fauci-says-u-s-death-toll-is-likely-higher-other-covid-stats-need-adjusting-too

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/fauci-puts-it-bluntly-coronavirus-deaths-are-undercounted/


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...avirus-deaths/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/2973481001/




If covid deaths are being overreported, then there shouldn't be any excess deaths outside of Covid19 deaths. In other words, the number of reported covid fatalities does not entirely account for the unusual increase in deaths this year vs last year. From the WaPo article: "The Post looked at one way of evaluating the full death toll from the virus last month, comparing the number of reported deaths from any cause through early April to historic figures for the same time period. Our research suggested that there were more than 15,000 more deaths than normal, twice what was attributed to the virus at the time. In New York, we counted about 8,000 more deaths than normal."

From USAtoday: "Experts say that COVID-19 deaths are likely not being overinflated. That list includes by Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is leading the U.S. response to the coronavirus. Instead, many experts say the nation is likely amid an undercount of the death toll due to the disease due to factors like false negatives on tests, a lack of testing and people who have died in their homes without receiving a positive test."

also as an aside, the instinct to attack anyone who offers a dissenting piece of information is pretty pathetic Upintheair.

We all want this pandemic to be over, but sticking your head in the sand and believing what you want to believe in the face of contrary evidence is childish and will only prolong the pain.
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