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Old 06-07-2020 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by furloughfuntime
funny how you guys only ever rely on anecdotes and personal stories without sourcing your claims. your feelings don't matter here. If you think the article is wrong, post an article with empirical information instead of getting butthurt and whining about facts you wish weren't true. I also have friends in the medical profession, but knowing doctors and nurses doesn't mean your opinion counts for squat.

also, what political pressure is compromising Yale? I don't know if this is a symptom of America's cult of ignorance or tinfoil hat ranting, but why do you think Yale would put out research to satisfy political pressure? political pressure from who? and for what end?
the idea that Yale, one of the most respected higher education institutions in the world, which is also a private institution with a $30 billion dollar endowment (ie no need for uncle sam's money), would compromise its reputation and put out false information is frankly laughable. I think it's more likely that you don't have facts to dispute their claim.

Here are some more articles that suggest covid deaths are undercounted. Note that these are based on facts and figures, not feelings and emotions, which seems to be how yall like to debate:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/13/854873605/fauci-says-u-s-death-toll-is-likely-higher-other-covid-stats-need-adjusting-too

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/fauci-puts-it-bluntly-coronavirus-deaths-are-undercounted/


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...avirus-deaths/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/2973481001/




If covid deaths are being overreported, then there shouldn't be any excess deaths outside of Covid19 deaths. In other words, the number of reported covid fatalities does not entirely account for the unusual increase in deaths this year vs last year. From the WaPo article: "The Post looked at one way of evaluating the full death toll from the virus last month, comparing the number of reported deaths from any cause through early April to historic figures for the same time period. Our research suggested that there were more than 15,000 more deaths than normal, twice what was attributed to the virus at the time. In New York, we counted about 8,000 more deaths than normal."

From USAtoday: "Experts say that COVID-19 deaths are likely not being overinflated. That list includes by Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is leading the U.S. response to the coronavirus. Instead, many experts say the nation is likely amid an undercount of the death toll due to the disease due to factors like false negatives on tests, a lack of testing and people who have died in their homes without receiving a positive test."

also as an aside, the instinct to attack anyone who offers a dissenting piece of information is pretty pathetic Upintheair.

We all want this pandemic to be over, but sticking your head in the sand and believing what you want to believe in the face of contrary evidence is childish and will only prolong the pain.

Hey I will not try to change anyone’s opinion via the internet. This is what I do for a living and isn’t “anecdotal evidence”. It would be like if I sent you scientific studies about the danger human error causes in aviation and how we should immediately move to unmanned aircraft, even though I know how often humans have to save the computers from crashing an airliner. Do you put this much stock in the media and “experts” when they report on aviation? Especially after an accident when they are just pushing click bait? This whole thing was overblown and anyone with a shred of intelligence and integrity is walking back on the whole initial Covid Worse case scenarios. By all means stay afraid and be sure and convince all your friends and family how dangerous it is. Make sure they don’t travel or fly because that is just too risky. It’s your career and furlough, not mine anymore.
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