Originally Posted by
sailingfun
The BMW Loaded to the gills is at least 25,000 cheaper than the Tesla and closer to 32,000 if you want the Tesla self drive autopilot. Actual purchase price would be a even greater difference. Looking at both on the same day the BMW was so much better in every regard it becomes a question of how much is it worth to not use gas. Tesla started out with a great rep for service but that has evaporated. I have never noted so many people on forums seeking to lemon law a 100,000 dollar car. I currently own a electric car soon coming off lease. Really wanted to stay electric. The other options don’t look like they will be street ready for several years. The Rivian certainly looks interesting but keeps getting pushed back. The Mustang might already be a orphan as Ford plans another platform going forward. I really like the Audi Etron but it’s range limited and smaller than we want. The huge price drop on the Model X Tesla had me thinking it was the answer but I am just not feeling it. The dealer experience was about a 1 on a scale of 10 with BMW being a 9. Tesla has also stopped giving loaner cars and instead gives Uber credits if they need to keep it overnight for service. Even my Ford dealer gives me a loaner!
I was interested in the Rivian as well, but it seems to be the 797/MoMJet of cars. I'll believe it when I see it first of all. Secondly, its range for its battery size clearly shows how far behind Tesla they are. And if you get one, the risk of owning an orphaned car is much higher than Tesla. I wish them well though. ETron is an overpriced underperforming joke. Not even on the radar. The E-Stang like you said competes with its own obsolescence right out of the gate.
All that said, IMO only the model S currently has the range needed to justify itself in my garage, and its the least desirable model they make for me. I think its still on gen 2 bats while the 3 and Y are gen 3? Anyway Tesla is so far ahead of the entire field its embarassing. Will they catch up? Probably. I assume. Porsche gets you close, at a higher price, but with a posher interior I guess.
The Cybertruck and its 500 mile range (and 15m a day solar) could be a game changer. Possibly amplified by whatever "battery day" stuff that comes out but we'll see. The 15 miles a day is functionally irrelevant WRT actual range, but means a lot if it can eliminate daily drain, particularly with reasonable levels of climate and camera monitoring always on.
As for a new BMW, I'd only consider one if it was a killer deal on a lease. They really do nothing for me. If I really needed the stitched leather vibe and exhaust note, which Tesla clearly doesn't offer, and I was looking at something I wouldn't own out of warranty for 5 minutes anyway, Maserati kicks BMW's butt any day.