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Old 06-28-2020, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
The only guidelines that anyone really advocates is 6' and wear mask... Opening businesses under any distancing guideline is economically not feasible. And masks are basically fabric pulled from a linen closet.


Any fault with our current situation (which is still TBD since deaths in FL,TX,AZ have not increased so the jury is still out) lies directly with Fed, State, "experts" and Local govt's...


We hearded everyone into basically a few stores.. Walmart, Target, Lowes and HD. And at the same time ruined the lives of millions of business owners and employees..People noticed the irony and distrusted the rhetoric.


Deaths were way over exaggerated by "experts". As were mortality rates.


Some restrictions made absolutely no sense. (closing beaches and parks)... Meanwhile Cuomo finds out most cases are from people forced indoors.


Governors Try to forbid protests of lockdowns, but are seen marching with BLM protestors.


Then there is the CNN, WP, FOXNews side of it. Where nothing these outlets say can be trusted anymore, een if they post correct info it's viewed as BS.


Finally add in the culture of places like S.Korea, Japan, or China... The USA is not an obedient country like those places. It's just the way it is over there.


WE have 1 of 2 choices...


States close all businesses for a year or more which forces us into a lockdown stay at home way of life. Thereby forces mass homelessness, starvation, suicides, violent crimes, domestic abuse, education catastrophe etc...


OR.


Open and accept the consequences. People are able to live their lives, families can support their kids. And we lose some elderly in nursing homes. And that's at a reduced rate than previous rates.

Those are your binary decisions? You're trying to drive everyone to your preferred option (which is terrible) by comparing it to a completely unrealistic extreme. That's a strawman:

"an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument."


Let's break this down


Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
The only guidelines that anyone really advocates is 6' and wear mask... Opening businesses under any distancing guideline is economically not feasible. And masks are basically fabric pulled from a linen closet.

Way to minimize masks, which have been discussed ad naseum.

Here's an article about how hairstylists with COVID19 didn't infect any of their 140 clients. I sincerely doubt the masks hurt the situation. If I knew I could get a haircut from someone with COVID and have a 0 in 140 chance of getting the virus, I'd probably get a haircut from them even if I knew they had COVID. That's good for business.

https://www.livescience.com/hair-sty...ace-masks.html

Also, I'm sure this isn't good if you own a small bar or restaurant, but plenty of businesses don't need a packed house to turn a profit. In fact, I'd say most businesses don't. And if you can't make it work, like on a plane, that's what the masks are for.


Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
Any fault with our current situation (which is still TBD since deaths in FL,TX,AZ have not increased so the jury is still out) lies directly with Fed, State, "experts" and Local govt's...

This I agree with, except for the "experts" part. If you're referring to the entire medical community at large and the CDC, nobody agreed with what the Governors of FL, TX, and AZ were doing. Listening to politicians in complete denial of reality who refused to listen to their "experts" is what caused this:

Florida and AZ politicians both tried to obstruct researchers from sounding alarms. It ended predictably.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/14/87658...ard-of-her-own

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...pause-covid-19

Don't make excuses for the very people who led you off the cliff instead of holding them accountable, so they can lead you off a cliff again. The economy can't take much more of this jackassery and no matter how much you want us to just all get herd immunity by getting the virus like some third world country, that's not going to happen. Medical care is the leading cause of bankruptcy in this country for a reason. As soon as a few people die, people will stop at nothing to protect their families, which includes voluntarily tanking the economy.

Also, I can guarantee that the deaths will be in direct proportion to the daily cases with a 2-3 week delay, just like they have been this entire time. Although, 6 months in they have developed better treatment methods from trial and error and it seems younger people are the ones getting it, so there'll probably be slight deviations.


Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
We hearded everyone into basically a few stores.. Walmart, Target, Lowes and HD. And at the same time ruined the lives of millions of business owners and employees..People noticed the irony and distrusted the rhetoric.

That misinformation is part of what's driving the pandemic. Turns out restaurants and bars are likely huge vectors whereas grocery stores are not:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/this...rus-cases.html

Which makes perfect logical sense. In a bar or restaurant you're constantly shoving stuff in your mouth and not wearing a mask while in a public space, that's likely indoors and maybe crowded.


Originally Posted by kingairfun View Post
Governors Try to forbid protests of lockdowns, but are seen marching with BLM protestors.

That has nothing to do with anything and it's extremely biased. I sincerely doubt BLM protestors showing up to capital buildings with AR15s would've ended as peacefully. Also, plenty of Governors and state politicians were very publicly anti-mask in the states that, shockingly, have the largest outbreaks right now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybe.../#1a92c4a45184


It just blows my mind how so many people are doing everything except what the "experts" say then acting surprised when the virus is sky rocketing. Then, instead of just accepting that maybe all the trend data from the more successful locations isn't a fluke, they double down on doing self-destructive BS. Are you guys trying to crash the economy, because if I wanted to crash the economy I'd follow your playbook. Once the public at large loses confidence in going out in public, the economy is likely toast until a vaccine comes along.

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