I think what Phantom Flyer was trying to say is that a responsible CEO will not and should not subject the company, stockholders and other employees with a contract that the company can not pay. That is not repsonsible. I think Phantom Flyer, would love to see the rates that were pre 9/11 as it helps all of us on our contracts. However, the goal really should be to have contracts the restore the profession and give raises to keep up with cost of living. I agree with you should ask for the moon during contract talks, but you have to be ready to settle for less. Only that pilot group knows what they should accept. Better to get paid a good buck for a full career than a million dollars for a day, don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

We can argue what pilots should be paid all day, and I agree, all pax pilots especially deserve to get back what they lost, but you do have to remember these companies are here to make a profit first and foremost.