Originally Posted by
Cujo665
It's funny, when I started at Eagle the union used to tell us to tell them, show me where in the contract I'm obligated to do that? When they couldn't it became, well if I'm not obligated then it's just a request, and I'm not agreeing to the request.
If they pointed to some section that was uber vague and they were taking liberties, we were told to remind them they aren't your supervisor, and to request to be connected to a chief pilot who would make the call. Always remain polite.
Somehow, somewhere it became fly it and grieve it.... never ever understood that. If the CBA was clear, then you weren't obligated. seemed pretty simple. The unclear ones, the Chief Pilot would tell you to do it and then you'd fly it and grieve it. Scheduling was/is not a supervisor.... (at least they used to not be)
I still find it humorous that you have to inflate your ego by coming back here and talking about the old times like you were and are some kind of Yoda about everything. I think 99.99% of the folks on this forum just disregard your postings as the rantings of someone that is unstable.
Let me help clarify some things for you. Firstly, Envoy is NOT the "old American Eagle" of the post 9/11 and Great Recession days. That carrier was owned outright by AMR who did things totally different than AAG management. I know it must pain you but the fact is that the "old flow" was worthless because it was developed by AMR management. AAG is the new American and they and Envoy and they are FAR superior to the AMR days. Just go take a look at how many have flowed post AAG vs. pre AAG. The company designed it like that. They want the companies intertwined and together so that you really are American on day one. That isn't how it was before so you should reminisce with the other 2 guys over on TA. THIS forum is for ENVOY pilots.