APA needs to negotiate more early retirements with the company and then put the pressure on these old crusty holdouts to retire. It would be a win win for everyone. They would get to retire early with pay, and then a young guy with a family would not lose his job. This is best for the company too, as widebody flying is where we have no demand, and that’s the majority of where the retirements would be. Besides, these guys spent a majority of their career anticipating having to retire at 60, so there’s no loss in them retiring early, especially with pay.