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Old 08-25-2020 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary et al
Aero and I aren't always on the same page here, but I tend to agree with him right now. Yes it is a little disappointing that the leaves are not 50 hrs. But, look at the situation we are in? Travel down 66% YoY...and that is a good day! The country is having a terrible time and we have had the luxury of barely working or not working at all and still being paid. Now we are finally directly seeing the impacts of this, yes it sucks but like Aero said, have some perspective? We have all (all pilots) been very lucky up until now.


I don't know the specifics of Spirit's deal, or any of the other airlines. Leading to what fcoolaid was saying and from what I did read in Spirit's, it seemed to say that pilots could be up/downgraded during the leave and if they were they could choose to come back to the line or continue on the COLA. That to me infers that they can downgrade/displace/furlough during the leave and those CAs on 50hr would become FOs on 50hr or FOs working the line. So yes, if Cares2 doesn't pass I could certainly see Spirit downgrading and furloughing...their deal banks of Cares2.


Ours banks on no Cares2, and if it does pass everyone is bumped back to 75 (vs 50/no change with Spirit), and yes Spirit is a direct peer but I think their deal is probably one of the better ones I've heard about. So complaining about us not comparing to our peers in furlough mitigation deals? The legacies are furloughing. If, and probably once, Cares2 passes our guys get 75hrs vs 50? That isn't bad.


I do agree with trowser that there should be a credit cap. These COLA 0s are like whoever else said "furlough +" Until all the COLA 0s are back guys should not be picking up to big credit months...morals.


So in the end there are positives and negatives to this, but COLA 35's are completely voluntary. If you don't want to do it, don't. If it works for you, great...that keeps one more guy off COLA 0. See you guys in April!

Just a couple corrections. Our deal at Spirit is not predicated on Cares 2. I don’t know why people think this. If Cares 2 is passed you have the option of cancelling your voluntary 50 hour leave and coming back to flying full time. All the rescinded furloughs and EILs were planned as if we weren’t getting any more govt money.

The MOU that stated we would have the option of coming back as an full time FO if you get downgraded pertained to the reduction bid that they cancelled last night.

No one knows what the future holds and it’s always possible that they could just furlough a bunch again in November or at any point in the future but so can Frontier or any other airline.


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