The other two also have a much higher retirement rate than we do. Delta has a ton of retirements that will eliminate around 1500 pilots in the next 2 years, we only have around 900. When this is over, all of the big 3 will probably be reduced by approximately the same percentage. We look at mitigation as avoiding involuntary pilot furloughs. A business looks at them as a cost cutting measure. Evidently it is cheaper to furlough than to pony up enough cash to make more people interested in leaving early.