There is alot of stuff going on at my unit relating to this...now this is from the Guard Bureau regs which may be different and the verbage is this "10 years from the commencement of pilot training"...if I said to you, "you may commence eating", that means you can start right? Therefore, commence in this case means beginning, however a commencement ceremony or speech is given at graduation....hmmmmmnnn, see the quandry...my unit says 10 years from wings (bastards), I say 10 from starting UPT, guess who's gonna win that battle...FWIW, I was winged 1OCT98 but my paperwork says 22SEP98 (it's not the day you had your ceremony, it's the day the HARMS people updated your records, btw). Anywho, maybe next year right?