Originally Posted by
sanicom3205
It comes down to this: You list statistics that show the black community as being the perpetrators of crime at a higher rate, parents of children out of wedlock at a higher rate, and as the group most responsible for killing people of their same race. No one can deny that these statistics are true.
You blame these statistics on cultural issues, as if that is less racist than blaming it on physical issues like the racism of past. The problem that you fail to see is this: what you are saying is no less racist than blaming these issues on physical traits.
Please read what follows with an open mind, and realize that it is not meant to criticize you as a person:
Having children out of wedlock and committing crime are clearly behaviors that are undesirable to you. So when you attribute them to a race, you are saying that the behaviors of the black community are inferior to those of the white community, who commit less of these crimes according to you. That is, by any definition, racism. If you were to follow up these statistics with some sort of analysis as to why the black community is affected by these issues at a higher rate (read: call out institutional racism), then it would be a constructive conversation about the issue of race in America. What you are doing in actuality is just pointing a finger at the black community while inferring that their culture is inferior. For the record, I am not one of those people who will scream racist and stop the conversation. I am trying to get you to take an in depth analysis of your beliefs. We are not taught to effectively talk about race in this country, which is why these conversations are important. It is indeed possible to have racist ideas, and not be a racist. The onus is on us to evaluate and better ourselves, something we seem to be incapable of doing as a population. I appreciate the civil conversation.
Also, please farther research political parties in this country. Resting on the laurels of a name that no longer represents a party of today is lazy and revisionist.
Statistics are not racist, nor am I racist to point them out. The lack of fathers is a rising problem in the white community also. More whites than blacks are killed by police every year. The problem I see is a need (my perception not blaming you) to see any criticism of the movement as a racist attack. I agree pointing fingers does nothing but what I am trying to point out and have tried to convey by posting links to black people specifically speaking to the problem is that the institutional racism you are trying so desperately to end is often perpetrated by the very leaders the movement is attaching itself to for help.
If you will carefully consider the arguments I make rather than parsing the specific words I am not sure you could possibly consider me to be racist. I am not, in any way, attempting to say there is no institutional racism. I am trying to shine the light on the people guilty of it. It isn't always the white republican. A casual observation of the treatment of blacks who don't fall into line with the thinking of the left would be a good start. The university of Michigan Dearborn (definitely a liberal school) recently created a virtual cafe that was only for people of color, LGBT, and other groups they deemed to be candidates for discrimination. They also (wanting to be fair I guess, LOL) created a virtual cafe for NON people of color. The people who are standing for BLM in this case might be the worst type of racist, the type I am trying to point out. The one with their arm around you saying they are going to help. The universities teaching our children are creating Jim Crow again in 2020.
According to a Pew research poll 79% of blacks identify as Christian. One could extrapolate that to say that blacks as a group also view out of wedlock births and crime as a negative thing. I believe most everyone, whether Christian or not view these things as bad for our society. Pointing these facts out is not racist, it is an attempt to have the very conversation that you claim to want to have. If the supporters of the BLM movement can only point fingers and throw blame but are not willing to face the hard decisions to carefully scrutinize the motives of their leaders we will never get anywhere.
The Republican party still TODAY, pushes for school choice, still pushes for teacher accountability, still pushes for zoning laws to allow more housing to lower prices.
Please think long and hard about these questions. Is it possible that the black community has chosen its leaders poorly and chosen the wrong political party to give its votes? What has happened to the black community with the virtually unchecked illegal immigration that has been allowed over the past three decades? Who supports that illegal immigration? Why? What happens to the black community when the Democrat party no longer needs its votes? Who is really racist, the person who says here's a hand you can do it, or the person who says you can't do it without my help?
I am Libertarian, not Republican, I think all people are equal and should be left alone to their desires regardless of race, ethnicity, disability, or nationality. I wish we could mount a viable candidacy for President but we can't. The nearest thing is Republican. I sometimes throw up a little in my mouth when voting, however it is my responsibility as a citizen to vote so I do. I voted for President Obama his first term because I thought he was different and not a "politician". Once I saw the war monger that he was (He continued the Bush middle east policies and expanded them in some cases as well as signing off on the warrantless spying that still happens on citizens today) I voted for every office but President in 2012. I couldn't vote for the orange man or Hillary in 2016 so I voted for Gary Johnson.
Asking me to not take it personally when you call me a racist is a bit funny, so I hope you don't take it personally when I say it is also racist to assume a white male is not your friend in the problems the black community faces.