He was involved in a good debate about religion. He was arguing from the atheist position on the Notre Dame campus. You had a devout atheist debating devout Catholics and the argument remained civil. They had a huge difference in positions, but they calmly presented their positions and poked holes in the other side’s argument, it was never personal or insulting. It was a calm, intellectual, and civil exchange of different views. It would be nice if we could do that about race, instead of turning the discussion into a Jerry Springer episode.