Originally Posted by Spooled

I heard the recent negotiations at Pinnacle did not go well. Basically management is stalling again...


Should I put my stuff in there?

Why doesn't the pilot group man up, and do what ASA did before they got their contract?

Originally Posted by Spooled

No I don't. What has the pilot group been doing? I know the union has been doing everything they can. But what have the pilots been doing? Blocking out late?

Originally Posted by Spooled

You failed to answer my question. What are the pilots doing?

You know as well as I do, that the pilots are not the union. 90% of the pilots sit back and watch. They don't volunteer their time.
We do know 13% of the pilot group could care less.

Originally Posted by Spooled

How was Pinnacle ever close to being released?

And what do I need to learn about the RLA and negotiations? Please explain. I'm willing to learn.

I talked nothing about illegal work actions. I asked what the pilot group was doing. IE - Writing everything up, not blocking out until getting cargo slip, run the APU, taxi slowly, not calling ops for numbers, if you need to burn off fuel do it at idle. Look at what Northwest and ASA accomplished.

Originally Posted by Spooled

The union doesn't have to encourage them. They should encourage flying safely.

How are those illegal work actions? Since when is following the FOM/CFM illegal work actions?

"Writing everything up" - Flying around with inop equipment is a violation waiting to happen.

"not blocking out until getting cargo slip." FOM specifically states you need cargo slip before closing the door.

"run the APU" - Safety issue, generator redundancy, bleed misconfig.

"taxi slowly" - Safety issue, look at all the runoffs.
"not calling ops for numbers" - Sit in the penalty box until ground crew/load control does their job.
"if you need to burn off fuel do it at idle" - FOM states taxi with no more than 35% N1, to avoid FOD ingestion.

Originally Posted by Spooled

NWA- Did you notice how slow they taxied over the summer? I don't know the exact details. But they were getting paid only the time they flew (hence slow taxi speed). Now they are getting 'block' values, 50% premium pay over 80 hours, and other things.

ASA- They got management to negotiate. And they got a TA. I didn't say it was a good TA. But its a hell of a lot of progress, from the 5 year stand still.

Originally Posted by Spooled

Actually 87% of the 9E pilots voted. Of those 87%, 99% voted in favor of a strike. Who are the 13%??

Its not that hard to dial a phone number and vote. All I'm saying is 90% of pilots don't volunteer their time to the union.

Originally Posted by Spooled

So VERY TRUE!!!!! Nothing like sorting it out over ACARS.

Originally Posted by Spooled

I'm not bad mouthing any pilot group. I think the 9E pilot group is great bunch of men and women. They will not settle for anything less than industry a leading contract.

My ultra industry knowledge(), comes from doing lots of reading and research. Not believing one single source, but gathering information from many sources, and making my own conclusion.