Originally Posted by captnate702

Listen to the July 27th video again, from the 00:37-01:12 mark and tell me that the EXCO was not banking on a CARES 2 without any other contingency plan...



"There's really no chance that no sitting president would go into an election with one of the largest layoffs in American history and unemployment at a historical high..."



Doesn't sound like someone that was telling us what he expected to happen. Sounded like a guarantee and then tried to hedge their bets.



That is all besides the point. Company has agreed to mitigate furloughs through voluntary leaves with IBT and TWU for the disptatchers and the FAs. Every other pilots union has agreed to a furlough mitigation with their respective companies. No way am I going to continue to bury my head in the sand and just continually blame the company when there is a ton of evidence that places blame on the EXCO. Has the Union passed a proposal that would ensure that ETOs would mitigate furloughs? That is what every other pilots union has done...



The onus is not on the Company to find ways to preserve our jobs and avoid a massive disruption to half the pilot group - the onus is on the EXCO. It is there legal and ethical obligation to try and save our jobs and our qwl, I for one am not going to continue to give them a free pass while the rest of the industry is getting sh*t done to save their membership's jobs and mitigate the massive disruption of a system wide bump and flush (or even worse, being forced to a new base on the other side of the country). I still cannot believe how many sheep on these forums think the EXCO should get a free pass by continually pointing the finger at the Company like we can't think and see for ourselves. If the EXCO cannot get an agreement done to mitigate furloughs, displacements, downgrades, etc. through voluntary leaves then they should be transparent enough to show us how they fought tooth and nail with the Company to get something done. That is their moral and legal obligation and i for one am not going to standby and watch my life get turned upside down while the EXCO points the finger at the Company at every turn.



I hope that the recent proposal and the request for financial info means the EXCO is finally going to take this seriously. Seems to me that maybe they've realized that CARES 2 is now very unlikely to happen and they are trying to play catchup. Why are they just now asking for financial info to consider the company's proposals? probably because EXCO is no longer banking on CARES 2. From what EXCO told us in the July 27 video, the Company has been asking for concessions since mid-July but the EXCO just barely asked for the financial data, why now? Whatever the reason, at least they seem to be taking this seriously and are now going to fulfill organized labor's most vital obligation: job preservation.