Originally Posted by
WickedSmaht
Let's walk through your logic train for a second here. What "bureaucracy" protects public servants? The elected politically affiliated administrations in municipal, county and state government that would and DO hang them out to dry with regularity to deflect from their own inability to craft meaningful legislation or ordinances? Is that who you're talking about? Union affiliation in LE does not overshadow the accountability of public service nor the pains and penalties affiliated with violating it and anyone who claims it does is making a vapid argument devoid of actual, provable fact. There are hundreds of LEO's who have been terminated before the outcome of any trial or even the conclusion of an investigation who would love to take issue with the fact they are accountable to no one, that's SIMPLY not a thing. Are there examples of times when a union has covered for a bad cop? Of course there are in just the same way a union has covered for a bad pilot who should have never been in the seat they occupied. The argument can be made that flying a transport category aircraft holds blind public trust and since that same public is paying for the skill set, then there should be no union covering for mistakes made in the flight deck. I do not necessarily subscribe to that belief for exactly the same reasons that I'm sure you don't but you can't be ok with one being able to unionize and the other not. Tell me, should ATC be allowed to unionize? They are on the Gov payroll and serve the public too.
It is nearly impossible to fire a bad teacher, bad police officer, or any other bad civil employee protected by a union. The bureaucracy to which I am referring is the union itself, I thought that was clear in my remark. No ATC should not be allowed to unionize hence my statement that government employees should not be allowed to unionize. Pilots are not government employees therefore I have no problem with pilots, steel workers, auto workers, etc. unionizing. Unions do not cover for mistakes pilots make, they step in to try to mitigate punishments and enforce contracts. ASAP and NASA reports are what pilots use to cover for their mistakes.