Originally Posted by
Seneca Pilot
It is nearly impossible to fire a bad teacher, bad police officer, or any other bad civil employee protected by a union. The bureaucracy to which I am referring is the union itself, I thought that was clear in my remark. No ATC should not be allowed to unionize hence my statement that government employees should not be allowed to unionize. Pilots are not government employees therefore I have no problem with pilots, steel workers, auto workers, etc. unionizing. Unions do not cover for mistakes pilots make, they step in to try to mitigate punishments and enforce contracts. ASAP reports are what pilots use to cover for their mistakes.
Where are you drawing the conclusion that it's "nearly impossible" to fire a bad police officer? I can cite plenty of examples of actual bad police officers being terminated and plenty of others who where NOT bad police officers but were terminated because they ran afoul of someone up their chain or in an office at city hall. And no, it was not clear and that's why I asked. So a union steps in a mitigates punishments and enforce contracts in the in the private sector but no such thing should exist in the public sector? Who will want to do that incredibly underpaid and thankless job knowing you have ZERO protection from arbitrary retaliation? If you want greater accountability and transparency then petition your local government for it and offer to serve on or help create a civilian oversight board, have you done that? Rules for thee but not for me. Got it...
What does a NASA report or an ASAP have to do with anything? No such thing exists in policing to simply file a report and be free of repercussion for making a mistake.Those things have their place and should remain in place but I have no idea what they have to do with the topic.