Originally Posted by
jj158
I just don't understand what they've been working on. They say they are too busy to process grievances, but they don't have anything to show for it. A simple "we presented this option to the company and they turned it down" is owed to the pilots who are being furloughed. I've seen so many carriers at least present something to the pilot group for a vote. Not a single person from ALPA has reached out to me or anyone else I know.
As someone who pays dues to this organization, I think we are owed an explanation as to what they've been working on the last six months. An LOA every two or three months doesn't suffice. I had a pilot call me the other day and say he can't get a phone call with a rep or anyone on any of the committees. We all deserve better representation!
I have to call you out because you are once again trying trying to use your anger and misunderstanding of how things work to raise tension among the rest of the pilot group.
"I just don't understand what they've been working on. They say they are too busy to process grievances, but they don't have anything to show for it. A simple "we presented this option to the company and they turned it down" is owed to the pilots who are being furloughed. I've seen so many carriers at least present
something to the pilot group for a vote. Not a single person from ALPA has reached out to me or anyone else I know."
Again you bring up that you are mad about grievances (because the company didn't pay your bonus). From what I've read, they actually expedited that case but since you don't like the result or the way that it is required to be handled, you are trying to make the rest of us think that they are just sitting around doing nothing. Every airline is in a different position. Just because something works for one airline doesn't mean it will work for the rest. The union clearly told us that a mitigation program that provided an offset of furloughs for a certain amount of participants in a mitigation program was not something that our company would agree to. Instead they agreed to keep a higher number of pilots on property than what we actually have flying for. Remember that the company originally announced 180-190 furloughs. That's pretty good without a defined program that would include some sort of concession. ALPA reaches out to all of us. You should probably check your email.
"As someone who pays dues to this organization, I think we are owed an explanation as to what they've been working on the last six months. An LOA every two or three months doesn't suffice. I had a pilot call me the other day and say he can't get a phone call with a rep or anyone on any of the committees.
We all deserve better representation!"
Negotiations are done between the union and management. Once they reach an agreement, the pilots are notified. If it is a major contract change, it would go out to the pilots for a vote. They are not required to tell us every time they make a suggestion to the company and in fact those discussions are probably confidential unless it is something they are moving forward with trying put in place. You need to stop assuming that you are special and "deserve" more just because you bombard a forum with your personal complaints and irrational desires. I'm glad that we have the people working for us that we have. I always get a response or call back from them within about a day. Most of the time, I'm responded to immediately from our volunteers.