Originally Posted by
130shadow
Kirby wants scope relief and wasn’t going to get it pre-Covid. Now that Insler has allowed him to divide us, now will be the time to conquer us and get scope relief. He will not let this crisis go to waste. Think about it from his perspective. How can he finally attain enough votes for scope relief?
1. Give a pay raise once the furloughees hit the streets. Boom, lots of yes votes right there.
2. He will try to ensure enough yes voters with a retirement annuity since pilots just lost 8 moths of contributions to the B/C plan. Boom, more yes votes.
3. This turd of a LOA has basically ****ed off 42% of the list and the majority of them are in the top 2/3. Boom, more yes votes.
4. He can pounce with RJs.
5. Since many pilots will finally be displaced to NB from WB seats, they will look to vote yes with the 15% raise.
This is a simple plan by management. He’s just figured out how to get scope relief. Just watch how this plays out. Divide and conquer played perfectly by a shrewd CEO.
You're just flat out wrong. I wasn't able to vote on this TA, but should be able to vote on the next. Bottom third. I would have been a yes if I had been able to vote but not simply to save my own skin, but because I think it was a great deal that smartly positions us to recover more strongly and quicker and had some decent gains which considering the environment is nuts - including some scope choke and tightening up the scope restrictions and still forcing UA to pull 6 seats off the 76 seaters. I would have been a no if there were any cuts to pay or work rule cuts (I'm not counting the optional change in intl rest rules since it's optional), but an MPG flex was a realistic solution for what is really going on with the company for the next 24 months that was as close, in my eyes, to win-win for the company and pilot group. (Just look at Southwest - why would you take a 10% pay cut when UA has already shown you can achieve the same cost savings for the company through a MPG cut?). But nobody is going to vote yes to scope relief for the company just for some retirement benefit or 15% pay raise. Everybody has seen what scope means and been around the block before on this one. So many here now came from the regionals/express carriers and have zero appetite to expand them. You're really saying Insler is going to do a 180 from last year when we were saying bring the 175s here and we'll fly them at mainline? I doubt it. Your prediction will not come to pass, and if it did, it would get voted down very quickly.