Old 12-13-2020, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer View Post
Long-covid isn't just about neurological issues. Cardiovascular and Pulmonary issues are the most common. As high as 32% of cases are still experiencing symptoms 6 weeks later. It's unknown how long those will last.

One-third of patients may experience ‘long COVID’

I've seen a lot of downplaying on this forum in regards to Covid, which surprises me considering our careers are contingent on being healthy.
Not downplaying COVID at all. Just that there are serious cases and a symptomatic/trivial cases. Seriously Ill people on respirators in ICUs DO NOT DO WELL. Many of them die, and many who do survive have long term residuals, EVEN BEFORE COVID:

Examples:

A recursive partitioning model showed that disability is determined by age and ICU length of stay (LOS) based on the Functional Independence Measure (FIM) at 7 days post ICU discharge, independent of admitting diagnosis and severity of illness. Four distinct disability risk groups were identified [Young Short LOS (age <42 years, ICU stay <2 weeks); Mixed-age Variable LOS (≥42 years, <2 weeks and ≤45 years, ≥2 weeks); Older Long LOS (46-66 years, ≥2 weeks), and Oldest Long LOS (> 66 years, ≥14 days)]. These groups were characterised by different outcomes and post-ICU healthcare utilisation, with increasing disability from the Young Short LOS to the Oldest Long LOS. In the latter group, only 19% were discharged home directly from hospital, and over one-third required hospital readmission in the year after ICU discharge. Forty percent of this group died within the first 12 months after ICU discharge, and the surviving patients had severe and persistent functional dependency. Cognitive dysfunction, including problem solving and memory, was affected uniformly across risk groups.
https://healthmanagement.org/c/icu/i...s-and-families

Results Of the 15 757 patients admitted, a total of 5183 (33%) received mechanical ventilation for a mean (SD) duration of 5.9 (7.2) days. The mean (SD) length of stay in the intensive care unit was 11.2 (13.7) days. Overall mortality rate in the intensive care unit was 30.7% (1590 patients) for the entire population, 52% (120) in patients who received ventilation because of acute respiratory distress syndrome, and 22% (115) in patients who received ventilation for an exacerbation of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Survival of unselected patients receiving mechanical ventilation for more than 12 hours was 69%. The main conditions independently associated with increased mortality were (1) factors present at the start of mechanical ventilation (odds ratio [OR], 2.98; 95% confidence interval [CI], 2.44-3.63; P<.001 for coma), (2) factors related to patient management (OR, 3.67; 95% CI, 2.02-6.66; P<.001 for plateau airway pressure >35 cm H2O), and (3) developments occurring over the course of mechanical ventilation (OR, 8.71; 95% CI, 5.44-13.94; P<.001 for ratio of PaO2 to fraction of inspired oxygen <100).

Conclusion Survival among mechanically ventilated patients depends not only on the factors present at the start of mechanical ventilation, but also on the development of complications and patient management in the intensive care unit.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...article/194560


Procedure: We reviewed a 5-year experience with mechanical ventilation in 383 men with acute respiratory failure and studied the impact of patient age, cause of acute respiratory failure, and duration of mechanical ventilation on survival. Survival rates were 66.6 percent to weaning, 61.1 percent to ICU discharge, 49.6 percent to hospital discharge, and 30.1 percent to 1 year after hospital discharge. When our data were combined with 10 previously reported series, mean survival rates were calculated to be 62 percent to ventilator weaning, 46 percent to ICU discharge, 43 percent to hospital discharge, and 30 percent to 1 year after discharge. Of 255 patients weaned from mechanical ventilation, 44 (17.3 percent) required an additional period of mechanical ventilation during the same hospitalization
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8404197/

All three of these articles described ICU and respirator outcomes BEFORE COVID-19.

Basically, if you are sick enough to spend 10 days in an ICU or a week on a ventilator FOR ANY REASON you are likely to survive (if indeed you do survive) with damage it might take you months to recover from - if you recover at all. That statement was true before COVID and it is still true. Nobody is denying COVID can do that to people. What I’m saying is that there is nothing specific to COVID doing that. It’s always been that way. COVID is just one more thing that can trigger it.
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