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If you are trying to say that JetBlue will just contract out flying to Breeze (or threaten to) with a capacity purchase agreement or joint venture or something like that if JetBlue pilots don’t take pay or QOL cuts, well, that can’t happen either with JetBlue’s scope, which specifically prevents that. Breeze isn’t a regional, and neither is JetBlue. They do their own flying and sell their own tickets...so it is kind of hard (or impossible rather) to whipsaw pilot groups in that situation. That’d be like saying AA will whipsaw Delta pilots. AA can whipsaw its regionals and just give flying to another group with lower costs/pay, because it controls the CPAs. Amazon can whipsaw the cargo contract companies who bid for prime flying. But two independent pax carriers who will compete against each other? Not really a situation where a whipsaw can happen, and certainly not with JetBlue, whose scope is the most restrictive in the country behind southwest. There cannot be and will not be any outsourcing of JetBlue flying.
Once JetBlue starts growing block hours and hiring again, then they are free, per scope, to enter into a codeshare agreement with Breeze (or anyone else), but codeshares don’t allow for revenue sharing like JVs, so there really isn’t much reason for JetBlue to do that.
And lastly, JetBlue management just offered jetblue pilots no furloughs and a 1 year contract extension with an additional pay raise, in exchange for what we believe (not confirmed or public yet) is additional AA codeshare allowances. Why would they offer no furloughs and a pay raise if they were trying to cut pilot costs and get pay/QOL concessions?
Last, JetBlue can’t feasibly park the 190s as maintenance contract payments and lease payments are due regardless of whether the planes are sitting in storage or being flown, so they are looking for any flying they can to utilize them. And they still have A220s and 321NEOs coming...there are more planes coming in than they can feasibly park. So giving away/outsourcing flying, even if it were possible (which it isn’t), doesn’t make sense.
So, in short, no...there cannot and will not be a JetBlue/breeze whipsaw.
edit: why is this in a Mesa WARN thread? If you want to talk jetblue/breeze whipsaws, feel free to take this to the jetblue thread. But I’m out
Originally Posted by copy
Why would JetBlue management give flying to breeze? If they gave flying to breeze, that revenue flows to breeze, which is in no way related to jetblue. And how exactly would they give flying to breeze? Breeze is free to fly where it wants. They aren’t reliant upon anyone to “give them” flying. There is no mechanism for JetBlue to give flying to breeze, nor is there any sort of business relationship.If you are trying to say that JetBlue will just contract out flying to Breeze (or threaten to) with a capacity purchase agreement or joint venture or something like that if JetBlue pilots don’t take pay or QOL cuts, well, that can’t happen either with JetBlue’s scope, which specifically prevents that. Breeze isn’t a regional, and neither is JetBlue. They do their own flying and sell their own tickets...so it is kind of hard (or impossible rather) to whipsaw pilot groups in that situation. That’d be like saying AA will whipsaw Delta pilots. AA can whipsaw its regionals and just give flying to another group with lower costs/pay, because it controls the CPAs. Amazon can whipsaw the cargo contract companies who bid for prime flying. But two independent pax carriers who will compete against each other? Not really a situation where a whipsaw can happen, and certainly not with JetBlue, whose scope is the most restrictive in the country behind southwest. There cannot be and will not be any outsourcing of JetBlue flying.
Once JetBlue starts growing block hours and hiring again, then they are free, per scope, to enter into a codeshare agreement with Breeze (or anyone else), but codeshares don’t allow for revenue sharing like JVs, so there really isn’t much reason for JetBlue to do that.
And lastly, JetBlue management just offered jetblue pilots no furloughs and a 1 year contract extension with an additional pay raise, in exchange for what we believe (not confirmed or public yet) is additional AA codeshare allowances. Why would they offer no furloughs and a pay raise if they were trying to cut pilot costs and get pay/QOL concessions?
Last, JetBlue can’t feasibly park the 190s as maintenance contract payments and lease payments are due regardless of whether the planes are sitting in storage or being flown, so they are looking for any flying they can to utilize them. And they still have A220s and 321NEOs coming...there are more planes coming in than they can feasibly park. So giving away/outsourcing flying, even if it were possible (which it isn’t), doesn’t make sense.
So, in short, no...there cannot and will not be a JetBlue/breeze whipsaw.
edit: why is this in a Mesa WARN thread? If you want to talk jetblue/breeze whipsaws, feel free to take this to the jetblue thread. But I’m out
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