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Old 12-26-2020 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
4. You are in great error here about what I do or don’t accept. Sadly that is a fault many of you have and it’s called “projecting your ideas on others.”

So I’ll answer the question about masks, which I have done quite clearly in the past. I reject blanket gross statements like “masks reduce the spread of COVID by 70%.” Why because on its own this statement makes little if any sense at all and by accepting it one demonstrates a lack of personal thinking. By its very nature it is herd mentality or group thought.

What I do, and encourage others to do, is to read the actual CDC statement and the associated cited studies referred to. Since most people never get to the CDC sight and then most who do make it there fail to actually look at and read the citations, confusion reigns. I'm perfectly comfortable with following the guidance put out by a group of experts in their field, who are paid to draw conclusions and recommended actions for the group at large. You draw different conclusions from the same set of information, and act accordingly. Ok, smarty-pants. Got it.

In a nut shell all the cited mask studies, controlled and uncontrolled, essentially observe and come to the same conclusions. People who faithfully wear masks (BTW the type of mask and ability to filter virus sized particles had almost no effect) also follow in the same manner public distance standards (>= 1 meter), personal hygiene and the sanitization, before and after contact, of the environment they are in. Those who occasionally wear masks also fail to observe those same standards. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...ear-masks.html

So what reduced the transmission of the Virus? It is clear masks, while true they reduce the vapor/fluid distance of the wearer, unless they are able to filter viral sized particles, are not what reduces transmission by anywhere even close to 70%. What they clearly are associated with are those who faithfully maintain distance and cleanliness standards also wear masks in the same manner.

Even the State of California states the same so clearly on their web site. Masks therefore are a reminder to do the things which slow the transmission amongst humans. As I have also previously stated, those who don’t want to get or transfer the virus from or to other only one solution works, avoid or prevent contact with it though isolation (something foreign countries have successfully done in some very draconian and un-USA ways) or maintaining at least 1 meter or greater in public place and among people you want to protect.

Now do I do this? Yes, accept with people I know and are in agreement with closer contact. Do I wear masks in public? Yes because so many people are terrified they will get the worst sickness since the great plague.

I do not wear masks in my car, house, or outdoors when alone or with people who are also in agreement.
I do not look down on nor “narc” on those who reject masks or any form of distancing and hygienic care. Let them make their own decisions. (Decisions that the experts have determined can put those around the individual at higher risk of severe illness or death; a risk imposed on others, which could be mitigated, if not for the discomfort suffered by the mask-wearer.)
When in foreign countries I respect and follow their established regulations because I am a guest.

I also believe all of this clearly fulfills the CDC guidance to reduce the spread of the virus. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...coverings.html

What about cockpits? If you think masks will prevent you from getting the virus then have at it. But, and this is the point of this thread (drifted from), if you think being locked up in a small area well beyond the CDC recommend 15 minutes masks will prevent an infection and therefore you have the right to demand others to comply with those demands, well you are wrong and delusional. Not demanding anything. Just trying to open some eyes to the legitimate concerns of your coworkers, in the hope that compassion or empathy may at least warrant a reconsidering of the anti-mask (in the cockpit) position.

Now let me ask this, do you all actually sanitize the cockpit both before and after you have done your work? Yes. I do and believe by doing so, per CDC guidelines and cited studies, I will at least give the next pilot a chance to soil his own surroundings without any contribution from me. Thank you.

BTW I am getting vaccinated not for myself, because frankly I believe the statistical risk of death and permanent illness has been well documented and is minimal from the virus. I will get vaccinated to not spread the virus and help get the Nation and world back to some resemblance of normalcy, including no masks at all. This will employ hundreds of millions who are suffering financially while you and I continue to get paid as pilots.
I could make the same argument by replacing "getting vaccinated" with "wearing a mask in the cockpit."
Others need for us to be vaccinated!
See above. Again, not demanding.
A previous poster referred to this debate as a silly hill to die on (paraphrasing). I couldn't agree more, and that's why I suffer the discomfort of mask-wearing in the flight deck. My discomfort is nothing compared to the grief of so many right now.
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