Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN

I agree, there’s some truth to that. But there’s a big difference between line pilots being placed on zero pay with no benefits, and men and women who haven’t even taken a Checkride to earn their ATP certificate. Btw the new hires were still being paid, not a whole lot, but they were still receiving full coverage as well. I wouldn’t consider that a furlough, but not being fully compensated the monthly training guarantee of 65 hours should place it near the definition of a furlough.

And btw your own union has a tendency to dance around as well. The reality is we’re all sipping on our company’s own koolaid. No doubt you still have pilots under the belief they’re 5.5 years away from flow.