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Old 03-02-2021, 02:01 AM
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JohnBurke
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
How would you suggest logging SIC vs. IRO? I'm looking at it mainly to be easily defensible at a job interview, where the person reviewing the logbook may not be familiar with the regulatory ins and outs of augmented crew time. You need to be able to explain it succinctly without sounding like you're reaching, and worst case you need to be able to quote chapter and verse of the regs.

My premise here is that might be a big can of worms to bring to an interview, especially a SWA/ULCC interview where they just don't have SA on that sort of flying. Basically you're trying to use bunk time to compete with mil, regional, and corporate pilots who were in the seat the whole time... can you make the case that bunk time is equivalent and reg-kosher?

Obviously the PIC who signed for the plane can log it all I think that's well established and assumed.
It's not a big can of worms at all. How would I recommend differentiating between "SIC" and "IRO?" I wouldn't.

The IRO is a SIC. Log it as SIC. No explanation needed.

A typical augented crew on an ACMI flight may, for example, have three F/O's assigned as SIC on a long trip, and one captain. The captain is the PIC designated in the flight release, and remains so. The F/O may sit in the pilot seat, may run a plotting chart on an ocoeanic lega and make the HF calls, or do other duties, or may sit in either the right or left seats during the flight. Typically every F/O is qualified to be IRO, sitting in either right or left seats. He or she is an assigned member of the crew on the flight release, performing duty, restricted by the same flight and duty limitations, subject to the same legal enforcement as other members of the crew, must file the same ASAP report as the rest of the crew, and is an SIC for the purposes of the flight and the assignment of the flight by the 121 operator. How to describe one's experience for the duration of the flight? SIC.

If two or even three captains are assigned together to a flight, one is the designated PIC, listed as such on the flight release, and responsible for the safe outcome, and for signing for the flight. He or she is the PIC, and logs it as such. The other captains may log SIC. The fact that they're captains is irrelevant. They're not the pilot in command. Whether they are "Captains," "IRO's," or "First Officers," They're not the PIC on the release: they're a SIC. Log accordingly.

There's nothing to explain.
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