Originally Posted by
USMCFDX
I am not smart on 117 and need to talk to people that have flown under it.
Isn't the 2 hour extension at the discretion of the crew and not a company imposed extension like we have now?
I looked at many of the new turns and the 0230 type show to the Indy sort and then an outbound falls right around the duty limit for FAR 117. With the sort delays we have I cant imagine that we would be legal to take off on the second leg without the extension.
Wouldn't FAR 117 also stop us from multipole night hub turns due to thew WOCAL limit? No more week long hub turns? Trips would have to be built with the day night swap which is basically what the new twilight sort has imposed on our schedules.
Reading as much as I can and trying to learn about 117 before I talk to my rep.
Yes, that is correct. It’s at the crew’s discretion. They can “force” a 30 minute extension. Duty periods cannot be built with assumed extensions though.
There is a provision to get credit for 2 hour naps during the WOCL. And even then, I think it’s limited on the number of night hub turns. The alternative is to build week on week off schedules that start on Tuesday or Wednesday morning and have a weekend overnight.
Personally, I don’t mind swaps if it’s preceded by a 36 hour rest period.