Originally Posted by mispoken

You seem to read a lot about investing. Maybe too much? Everyone, their brother and their pets publish their tried and true method, their valuation models, their fool proof ratio etc. That’s all so complicated. We look for numbers to validate our feelings or something we just read. Conveniently, whomever published the book or article you’re reading can find all the data needed to back up what they sold you.



Im not opposed to reading these types of things for some abstract ideas, but when they narrow it down to something simple like “If XYZ ratio is below this # it’s a buy”, I disregard that.



How is this for value investing; if you invest in a company today, ignoring “valuation” and instead believe it’s product will expand around the world and revolutionize an industry (Tesla comes to mind, often touted as the ultimate overvalued stock) don’t you think today’s price is a value compared to what it is in 10 years?



My problem with looking at “multiples” and “ratios” is they cannot look at the possibility that a company like Tesla will grow car sales, battery sales, solar sales, satellite launch sales, satellite internet sales, car software subscription sales, boring company sales, electrical grid rebuilding sales and so on. Dividing this number by that number just simply cannot take potential into account.



The only shot we have is investing in companies poised for significant growth. I’m talking 10x and beyond. Sure, I can invest in a paper company with great cash flows but what returns will that give me?



My personal favorite example and holding is Shopify. For the years I’ve held it since IPO, it’s always been “overvalued”. It’s valuation was “rich”. It’s “multiples” were stratospheric. And yet, it’s returned over 20x for me. Will I give some of that back if I keep holding? Sure. The last two weeks I’ve most definitely given some back, but is that because it’s a bad company or it’s multiples didn’t fit into some Wall Street or CNBC model? No. Just tech not being in Vogue the last couple of weeks. Consider what Shopify does, the size of the addressable market and the vision that the leader has for the company and I’ll take that any day over PE.



Admittedly, I don’t know your situation or age so perhaps what you’re doing is best for you. But from a simple future potential stands, if you’ve got 20-30 years to retirement, this is the only true shot a lowly airline pilot like me has at Ed Bastian type fortunes.



whew.