Ok my friend.I didn't think describing myself or around 95+% of the profession for the first 8 or so decades was mud wrestling. I think we've come a long way and there's not one simple solution but let's not pretend the old way of doing things was a process beyond reproach or didn't have its own forms of special treatment - intentional or not.

I am also fully convinced via, you know, our day to day job, that whatever our present methods are they seem to be attracting quality pilots. Let's be the airline everyone wants to fly for and we get to keep attracting great pilots and don't have to worry about these less than constructive conversations.