Originally Posted by
LabDad06
A couple of your posts are coming off as disingenuous and painting all white male pilots as racist. As you said, "lets all try to do better" because that's flat out BS. I noticed you didn't care to respond to my direct quote of you as well.
I posted this in a different thread, though the same content:
When I was deployed in Afghanistan I didn't care what my crewmembers looked like, where they were from, what color their skin was, or what they had between their legs. Do they know their job? Do they do it well? Do I trust them? Can I count on and rely on them? That's all I cared about then, and now. When some of our helicopters were getting shot up and one shot down, sex or race or anything else didn't matter, only that we worked well together as a team to get back to base safely while successfully carrying out the mission. There were minorities and women in my company that I would choose to be on my crew in a heartbeat over some of the white guys. But never once did I want a crew because of their race or sex, but rather on their ability and who they were.
That applied then and applies now. I've flown with women and minorities, including black captains and first officers. The captains, had no issues with at all. The FO was outstanding and I told him such, especially for his hour level. Not outstanding as a black pilot, but only as a pilot. Nobody wants to keep women and minorities out of flying. What they want to keep out is BS racist and sexist hiring practices in the name of diversity while potentially sacrificing safety by hiring less experienced pilots due to what is on their skin or between their legs.
I read a post from a Southwest pilot who summed it up well. He didn't care who he flew with because he knew all the pilots had 1000 TPIC, he knew they all had the hours and experience, and he knew they earned the privilege of being there at Southwest. I knew the same from the military because we all went through the same training, same courses, same everything. If you aren't up to it in the military, you won't fly.
Why is it hard to for you to see the other side of the argument, as I laid out in my last post (posted below), and others without playing on emotion? Instead you respond with racist accusations of white pilots toward other posters.
If I understand the overall frustration and objection to this... I don't think anyone would have a problem if airlines or the entire aviation industry set out to encourage and educate women and minorities to get into aviation and become pilots. I doubt anyone would have an issue if they gave grants and scholarships to women and minorities to back up that genuine interest in making it a more diverse industry. Where I believe the perceived problem is, is with public companies saying they will discriminate against hiring white males and instead hire females and minorities in their place, with a pre set quota, while realistically knowing they will hire less experienced pilots in the name of diversity and potentially sacrificing safety. That's my take on many of the responses here, but I may be wrong. YMMV.
I appreciate your thoughtful post. Didn't see the other one you quoted. Typing on a phone so pardon the grammatical, spelling errors etc....
I understand your frustration. I hear you when you say you feel like you are being discriminated against. I just can't figure out how. You, (I assume you are a white male) are still getting 50% of the opportunity. Everyone else has to split 50% of the opportunity. These are not jobs until you pass the aviate interview. I imagine the off the street hiring will still be whatever it is now (I imagine 85% based on nothing more than my informal assumptions based on the people I see in the crew room, training center, and in the right seat). How is 50 % of the new thing, plus 85% 9f the old thing unfair to you assuming everyone has equal qualifications? It doesn't add up to me.
I'm always interested in dialogue and would love for it to be explained to me in a way that is logical and makes sense. As I said I'm willing to learn and grow. If you're not growing, you're dieing. I know I've been doing this for a while and I've heard every story you can imagine about "if I were a woman or minority, I would have been at mainline years ago with just 1500 hours.". It took me a hell of a lot more than that. I don't hear nearly the amount about interns or senior check airmen getting their offspring hired well below competitive minimums. Why do you suppose that is? Anyway, I don't suppose we are going to change each other's minds in this thread. We have to listen to each other though and empathize with each other. We are all in this country and on this planet together. We all bleed red, laugh, cry, hurt, etc.... You know what I'm saying.
Good luck if you work here, beers on me once I'm fully vaccinated. Until then stay safe and let's all try to do better.