I was reading this thread until I got to the bit about The Chair and thought I was going to be sick just reading it. Not ashamed to say that I have very little control over my overly developed barf reflex. I still recall the day my instructor first demonstrated the stall in our little C-172. I was not amused. So all that talk about getting a ride in the F-18 with my friend is just that - all talk. I doubt I will survive such a ride with my pride intact. Better not give up my day job.