Originally Posted by
GucciBoy
American 587 & Air France 447 are about the closest one could come to your hypothetical scenario in which the crews were terrible pilots but had peerless CRM. Cool thought exercise though.
Tell me how CRM bails you out when both pilots don’t understand the systems of their plane due to inadequate training and something happens that isn’t covered by SOP. The only solution I come up with is luck. The more experienced the crew, the luckier they stand to be, but my point is that experience is a luxury that the company will not be afforded in the near future.
As far as I was told, AA587 was the result of the FO doing exactly what he was taught. I was not there but from what I’ve heard from AA pilots of that era, recovering from wake turbulence with rudder was taught in the A300 program until November 2001. Again I was not there, but from the people who would probably be in the know that I have talked to, that went far beyond the basic “fo did a weird thing”
as for AF447, 2 pilots Simultaneously applying different control inputs would not be practicing good CRM IMO, but is probably the closest example I can think of as well