Thread: Vaccine Stance
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Old 08-28-2021, 11:34 AM
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Rock
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Originally Posted by pinseeker View Post
Rock, the article you linked said nothing about studying 800,000 people. It also did not say that you were 27 times more likely to have symptoms.
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Google is a wonderful thing. You can read the report yourself if you like. I did. I prefer reading actual source documents to media summaries. It’s incredible what you learn when you don’t rely on some reporter telling you what they think. Here’s a link to the study. You’re correct. It isn’t peer reviewed yet. But that’s a matter of time as the study was conducted by one of the largest Heath groups in Israel in coordination with the University of Tel Aviv. What will you say when it is?

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Here is the part where they list the numbers involved in the study.

Overall, 673,676 MHS members 16 years and older were eligible for the study group of fully vaccinated SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals; 62,883 were eligible for the study group of unvaccinated previously infected individuals and 42,099 individuals were eligible for the study group of previously infected and single-dose vaccinees.

So about 25,000 shy of 800,000. Here is the part where they report vaccinated are 27 times more likely to have symptomatic COVID than naturally recovered.

Symptoms for all analyses were recorded in the central database within 5 days of the positive RT-PCR test for 90% of the patients, and included chiefly fever, cough, breathing difficulties, diarrhea, loss of taste or smell, myalgia, weakness, headache and sore throat. After adjusting for comorbidities, we found a 27.02-fold risk (95% CI, 12.7 to 57.5) for symptomatic breakthrough infection as opposed to symptomatic reinfection (P<0.001) (Table 2b). None of the covariates were significant, except for age ≥60 years.”


Regarding the additional protection to COVID recovered people getting a vaccine, it was a .5 fold increase in protection. Out of 14,000 naturally immune people in their study, 16 people who were also vaccinated got symptomatic COVID, and 23 people who weren’t vaccinated got symptomatic COVID.

Regarding your last comment, I think people don’t understand that there is a difference between a coronavirus and things like polio and mumps or measles. Coronaviruses evolve rapidly. That’s why the COVID vaccines developed using the Wuhan variant aren’t nearly as effective against the new variants. It’s also why there is no vaccine for the common cold. Meanwhile, measles and polio don’t change much at all, if ever. That’s why you don’t have to get a measles shot every year. Measles is very prevalent throughout the world. But you don’t need a measles booster shot when you travel because you are vaccinated, and the original vaccine you got is still effective because the measles virus doesn’t mutate. Now do COVID. Completely different, and in less than a year after pushing out a COVID “vaccine”, the CDC is now considering recommending a booster every 5 months.
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