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They don't go through their method to determine 17x more likely to be hospitalized, but it is cumulative and given the vaccinated rates of those populations, it appears that they are using any form (1 dose, 2 dose less than 14 days and full course > 14 days) as being vaccinated. By that convention, in Jun patients unvaccinated patients were 15x more likely to be hospitalized, while a fully vaccinated patient is 23x less likely to be hospitalized. That's just Jun.
The alarmist articles about Israel rely on the the readers not understanding this basic part of probability that is shown in Jun in the study that you referenced. That is extreme in the Israel case. The article does the probability for you:
https://www.covid-datascience.com/po...are-vaccinated
Probably the best advertisement for vaccination boosters.
Im having a hard time following their math. It looks like they’re trying to do calculus IV to prove the vaccines work. In their own chart it shows that age 50 and over unvaxxed has a severe case of 171 per 100k. It shows vaxxed at 290 per 100k. Then it claims the vaccine effectiveness is 85% in that age group. I’m having a hard time understanding how the rate per 100k is higher in vaccinated individuals but then they claim the vaccines are 85% effective. Even if they got the numbers backwards that doesn’t make any sense to me. And then on a later chart they break it down even more by age group, but if you add up all the 50 and over severe cases in that chart it’s over 5 times higher than the severe cases cases they claim in the previous chart. So either there’s a typo or they’re hoping someone won’t pay that much attention to it.
It isn’t the alarmists that are reporting the vaccines are only 39% effective in Israel. It’s the Israeli health officials claiming that. That’s far off from the 93% and 85% this report is showing. Even the Mayo Clinic now says it’s only 42% effective. When 90% of the older population and 73% of the younger population is vaccinated…. If the vaccines were actually 85% effective there shouldn’t be anywhere near a majority of hospitalizations being vaccinated no matter the age break down. In one of the charts on your article it even says the vaccinated are hospitalized at a higher number per 100k in that particular age group.
The 85% is close to what was originally advertised. If that was still the case and you really were 19x more likely to be hospitalized then why would we need boosters at all? We shouldn’t need them. Yet, Israel wants a 4th round. We need boosters even though under 60 unvaxxed has a survival rate of 99.98 and if your article is correct (even though it has contradictory numbers) then the new survival rate will be what? Like 99.998? That doesn’t justify boosters to me. When the Israeli health officials and the Mayo Clinic are claiming 40% that jives a lot more with the current conditions than the 85% this article reports.