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Old 09-06-2021 | 09:32 PM
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Thedude86
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
It's completely accurate, it's just that for most people, understanding statistics isn't intuitive and is why shock value of cherry picked percentages misinform most.

I'm not sure what charts you are referencing, but you may not have read that the about 1/2 way through he updates his charts with data from Sep 2nd.
The math now makes sense. His color coding isn’t consistent so I had to look at it awhile before I could see what he was doing. I do see the correction where he updates the charts. It looks like the data is correct but there are 2 things to keep in mind…

1. He admits near the bottom that there is good chunk of the population that has already been infected with covid, and according to Israeli health officials… are over 20x times less likely to be infected with the delta variant. Being that the overall population is such highly vaccinated… there’s a good chance that a lot of previous infections are currently vaccinated and will skew the percentages which he alludes to near the end of the report. This segment of the population is virtually non existent as far as current hospitalizations or cases go. The “official” Google covid tracker shows that 12% of their population has been confirmed to have had covid. The CDC estimates in the U.S. the most likely real number is triple what the confirmed cases are based on their recent tests of random blood samples. I know we can’t translate this to Israel with certainty, but we do know at least 12% of the Israel population has been infected with covid for certain. I don’t know how strict Israel is with general testing but it’s very possible based on CDC U.S. data that 25-35% of the Israeli population has been infected already but again, I admit we can’t count on that. Although, would greatly skew the numbers if their data was similar to U.S. CDC data. My fiancé is from there and is currently there right now, and I can say for a fact that Israel has been far more strict than most areas in the U.S. with not giving much credit for previous infections. So it’s reasonable to assume a big chunk of that 12% is vaccinated that were pretty much immune already. And there’s a good chance that number could be closer to 25-35% that were already immune. This could be the reason the Israeli health officials and the Mayo Clinic have said the vaccines are only 40% effective. And also why Dr. Fauci and Pfizer have both called for boosters. That or they’re just making up excuses to make more money. Both are probably true.

I do want to make the point that I’m not saying the vaccines are worthless. I’m just saying the numbers don’t justify calling the vaccines the cure to all of our problems. Even the Moderna CEO has said Covid is here to stay forever.

2. Even if we assume no previous infections are vaccinated (although highly unlikely) we still have to put things in perspective. In my age group his numbers say I’m 1x more likely to be hospitalized if unvaxxed. I’m assuming he basically means double. So if I’m vaccinated, data shows I’m 6 times more likely to be murdered than die of covid for my age group. If I’m unvaccinated I’m only 3 times more likely to be murdered for my age group. Yea, double the protection sounds good, but 3 times more likely to be murdered still sounds pretty good too. Now if we start talking about the 50 and over age group then it’s another argument. I’ll admit those numbers are pretty significant. But again, his numbers assume no previous Covid infections are vaccinated.

Last edited by Thedude86; 09-06-2021 at 09:51 PM.