Originally Posted by Nightflyer

People said they wanted more control of when they went to training. So the NC agreed to the present system with the company. In the agreement, the NC gave up passover pay. Big mistake. Now we have something called, "slot denial pay", which, according to the people who are getting it, is not as much as passover pay. Significantly less, I am told. Meanwhile, we have new hires getting wide body aircraft on day one, and 757 FO's who cannot "train" for the 767, because the company doesn't want to have to train their replacement. I think there was a grievance on this, but someone with more knowledge can explain how it worked out. We usually lose grievances, so I am not hopeful.

In other words, "our" negotiating committee got played, again, as usual.

What will they give away this time? Oh, right, the A plan, even though they won't tell us until it's too late, but that is their plan.

Of course, they would not poll the membership honestly to find out what the members wanted, because, well, they think they are smarter than the rest of us.

"They" think "they" are smarter than "us". Uh, if "they" were, the NC wouldn't get played so often.

We lose every single contract, and barely break even on inflation.

"My" union continues to disappoint.

But hey, they won't listen to the membership, and they won't tell us what is going on, or even what they are negotiating for, except in terms so vague, we won't really know until the end.

I guess if you don't know the goals, you can't blame anyone when they are not achieved.

If you want to get the union's and management's attention, vote down the first TA. Then maybe, just maybe, someone might listen.

Sadly, I've seen this song and dance too many times to be very hopeful for a better outcome.