Re: UPS
CLT to SDF commute super easy.
It is a big $$ job. You can retire early.
Vacation benefits also worth considering as is conflict bidding.
We are a smaller pilot group, currently only around 3,100 total, with our own union.
“…how worn out those guys look...” That’s a big generalization - I’d do a lot more research on UPS if I were you. Schedule wise you can start here on post #193 and continue through the last 3 pages:
UPS Typical Schedule
The bottom line with the flying at brown is with a little seniority you can find your niche and avoid the stuff that makes you look worn out but it’s not a bankers hours type of place either (for the most part). How have you handled the late nights / early mornings so far in your career? If it’s been problematic then you might want to reconsider but I think most people can survive the schedules for the most part.
Brown is also a different place to work in terms of culture and the employee experience. If you’re the type to keep your nose clean and forget about the job on your days off then you’ll do fine. If you need recognition and want to be all into the company then I’d run from brown as fast as you can. It’s not toxic but you need to have thick skin to a certain extent. You’ll never get a “good job” from them, for example.
Also to note: Express logistics (FedEx / UPS) are different jobs than flying for the legacies/majors. The flying is different, the flight deck culture, the operating environment (pax vs boxes), we still have hard lines vs pbs, the airline division is part of a much bigger organization vs being the sole product for the pax carriers. …and everything seems easier on our side of the house. For instance, no terminals to deal with, you get driven to and picked up planeside so you’re in and out much faster, you fly in cruise clothes, get up and move about when you want vs coordinating with FAs, you got your own galley, bunks vs curtained first class seats…stuff like that. The flip side is that you’re often flying tired and if you don’t want it to take years off your life you’ll have to make some sacrifices: prioritize a healthy lifestyle in general and efficient sleep on layovers - this means laying low and slam clicking more than you may otherwise prefer. You may also need to shift your clock a little on days off to make the work week more palatable. Small price to pay. Just takes discipline. Anyway, it’s a tough decision and UPS isn’t a well known destination. We’ve got a good crew over on the UPS threads and have put out a ton of quality info to help potential hires make a good decision. Head over there and work the search function or ask questions, we are happy to help.
Good luck.