They used to say the exact same about the ATP and other zero to hero fast track programs..... they were great at drinking from the firehose, playing the video game, and the poor IOE Captains had to play CFI as IOE grew from 20 hours to over 100 hours in many cases. We told them the CFI candidates were a better long term product. Nice to see even Envoy management can learn; even if it took 10 years.