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Old 04-15-2022 | 07:51 AM
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Bluedriver
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Sorry, but BS. If we go straight RS you would at most get 330 ahead, and 170 of those were hired before you. At most an extra 160 jump ahead, and for sure some of those are 55+. (math matters)

Assuming the same age distribution for the top 20% (50% retirements in 10 years) as NK, with no merger, you should go from 10% current to 5% at the end.
If we go DOH, you will get about 170 NK pilots ahead. if NONE of those retire (not likely) and half of the JB above retire, you will go from 9% to 5%.
If we go RS, you will stay at 11% RS at day of merger. With 0% growth, half of the JB pilots ahead of you older than you , and EVERY single NK pilot above you younger than you (not remotely likely), you will retire at 8%, a maximum 3% loss vs DOH.
I am at 20% RS now and will retire at 10% RS if we don't merge.
If we go RS, at merger I will stay at 20%, and with 50% retirements will retire at 10%.
If we go DOH I will go from 20% to 38%, and with 50% retirements will retire at 19%, a minimum 9% loss vs RS.

All based on 0% growth, although we have deliveries scheduled for over 10% for the next 3 years (no use looking further), and your own merger proposal shows 3% growth for those years without the merger.

So with DOH my loss is bigger at the end by a decent margin, but it's mostly the first years where I go from senior line holder to commuting to just above reserve, and you will stay in the same spot.
Where is the math for a 50/50 DOH/RS?

What I don't get, is that most (really all) JB who would clearly benefit from straight DOH on these boards are not trying to sell/push/convince that we use straight DOH. Virtually all of them are saying we should all share some pain and compromise. Yet there is still a persistent group of you guys pushing hard for straight relative seniority, not being willing to compromise or meet in the middle.

And you wonder why you got aggressive pushback on the JB forum?

With some exceptions, JB has a good pilot group. Everytime I've jumpseated on Spirit the crews have been fantastic. I look forward to flying with all of you if this comes to pass.

But neither side should be demanding they get the SLI formula that benefits them the most, without any regard or compromise toward the other group.