Rye and others, do yourselves a favor and do not open the door for Aerospeed further by responding to his arguments. A total tool, ATI do-gooder, hurrah the kool-aid is refilled kind of person. There are no perspectives except those of their own. Just read the few other posts out there regarding ATI (or ABX), one can very quickly formulate an accurate assessment of the value (or lack thereof) of an individual's contribution to these forums.