What about the "end of the career" crowd? They get a say on a contract they will barely live under? But I have to live under? Large potential for a conflict of interest there, obviously.Or the shoulder shrugging "whatever, I'll vote yes or no" crowd?

I think half wingers "in general" are experienced professionals who have the humility to listen to the more experienced pilot group, learn the history of contracts at UAL and other carriers, and the intelligence to weigh the issues for themselves.

I keep hearing how some people dont take the time to vote, don't take the time to understand the issues and the downline consequences, ladder pullers, section 3 chasers, etc etc.. so how's the 1-10 yr+ soak under the current book changing how they vote?

I think the con statements put out by the 4 no's show how self evident the shortcomings are. Imo it doesn't take a yr under current book to "get why it's a bad TA." But besides that, my argument is more on principle- not that we would vote how you would want..