Originally Posted by Sunvox

I think there is a major gap in your thesis. New pilots make their choice of which airline to apply to based on several personal factors, but one of those factors common to all is pay. If DAL or AA have a contract, I am fairly certain UAL will have a contract as well. Particularly when you are talking about raises on the order of 15-20%. So, yes UAL-ALPA missed the boat on mediation, but no, I do not believe it will impact the ultimate outcome.


Mighty sad when we’re conditioned
Our President has an aggressive growth plan, and I think that is why UAL got a TA when it did. I do not believe Kirby was smart enough to have realized the details of the TA would be considered so onerous by line pilots. It is far more likely he was relying on information from his negotiators as well as whatever he was hearing from the MC both of which probably were telling him how great this TA was and how it would place United at the top for the near future. Happily that bubble is now burst, but it won't change the fact that Kirby wants United to be the world's premier Global Airline, and his pilots still need a leading contract to do so. Don't get me wrong. I'm not expecting this to happen fast, but I think 18 months to 2 years on the outside and more likely I would bet a $100 bucks, we will see a new TA before next summer.