Originally Posted by gloopy

I'm aligned with this as well, but what is an escalator clause?

If you mean a permanent evergreen inflation or inflation plus clause, I like it as a concept. But I'm not sure how the NMB will view that as a labor demand. I don't think that's ever been achieved anywhere outside of government, who are the ones that cause and control inflation as well as the lower fake number its always reported to be.

Government causes inflation and government has the keys to our negotiations. There have been times in the past where the NMB has told pilot groups they simply cannot ask for certain things (like regionals trying to directly get mainline Scope). Other things may be in the zone for what can be asked or demanded, but the amount/extent still comes into play.

If a PWA meets all the stated goals and monetary targets you mentioned except the permanent C.P.Lie escalator (assuming that's what you meant) I'm not sure voting it down solely for that reason would result in anything better. Especially compared to taking the win now with inflation and adequate retro with other QOL improvements.

All of this may be academic anyway if the Scope AIP is a dud. I'm highly skeptical of it but will reserve judgement until I see all of the language and try and find "loopholes" of "we didn't think they'd do THAT!" because we all know by now that every such oversight like that is by design on their part. They know exactly what they intend to do. The South Africa and Australian growth ULH flights are the perfect examples of this coincident with a "global scope" emphasis; They add a lot of block hours they want and need to add anyway because we don't have a "JV partner" in those sub-theaters to do it (for now) so of course they want a deal that allows them, because of those hours they want to add anyway, to be able to either pull down hours or add less hours in theaters with robust "partners" already.

Its very obvious that's highly likely their plan. If there aren't adequate theater protections in it (and I bet there aren't...simply saying it can't go to zero is an asinine hard sell straw man) then it will likely be voted down in the memory rat. Since the entire Negotiations-AIP-TA-LOA process is so long for this, starting over in Section 1 would be a significant (but maybe necessary) setback.

Getting a first of its kind permanent pay raise in C19 that transcends generations and has an unlimited upside (limited only by CPI or whatever we use) is morally right but I'm not sure legally sound with the NMB as its never been done before.