Originally Posted by
Cleared4appch
Nope, not my first day at the airlines and I stand by what I said. That has not been my experience. Yours obviously has been different. You can believe what I said or not, I don’t really care. I do agree there’s work that needs to be done, on BOTH sides. You are saying there’s work that needs to be done on ONE side. I really just get sick of the “I’m a thought cop” that not only exists at the airlines these days but in society in general. Everyone’s thoughts and facial expressions are dissected and over analyzed to an insane degree these days. You can’t just go to work and be an employee anymore. We have to be divided into these little groups, “identities.”
Are you saying that the employees in this article don’t have legitimate, right to speak up about it, complaints? You think conservatives are supposed to just shut up? And not push back against blatant WRONGDOING? Notice how you just downplay everything they mentioned, and are saying basically, that those employees mentioned and the negative experiences they had, are the fault of the people you are talking about. When it is the fault of “WOKENESS,” and woke “culture.” Too many people are afraid to stand up to woke culture. What you’re basically saying is, “well, I know the Pro life flight attendant got fired for her religious views, but, that doesn’t really mean anything.” That’s not right. There is a reason she won that lawsuit. Why do libs who identify as something they are NOT, get away with stuff but conservatives who make off handed remarks get a talking to at the least, and at the very worst, fired. The pendulum is swinging the other way here these days, and it’s going in the direction of “wokeness.” You are talking about the other end of the extreme, I am telling you that it is actually MOVING to the extreme in the OPPOSITE direction. And that can’t be good for the morale and wellbeing of airline staff, and customers. Sure, I’ll give it to you that back in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, there was rampant sexism among white male pilots towards women. But that is not the case anymore dude. I have only seen what your talking about with ONE person. And many males including myself couldn’t STAND this guy.
I quite clearly said the wokeness is going to far. My point was to offer a counter point that many of us do indeed say things that warrant writing up. The pendulum always swings both ways, and right now it's swinging to hyper-woke, and my point is that we have absolutely contributed to the swinging in the other direction, at least based on my experience with, conservatively, 75% of my captains.
I'm also 100% a no vote unless we get separate hotels for a lot of reasons, one of them being frivolous write ups or being written up for something the other pilot says, like this other personally witnessed gem in the last two months: "one of the pilots was talking loudly about how BLM is a terrorist organization with the van driver" while in the van with three African American flight attendants. The conversation actually happened, don't know if the FAs wrote him up.
I don't care what your views on BLM are, follow the real Golden Rule of not talking about politics, sex, or religion at work, and have some situational awareness. And how often could you with complete certainty identify which person made a statement on a 3am van ride when you hear something crazy while looking at your phone? Nope. Don't want to be written up by association or mistakenly. Same reason I change the 3rd comm panel to "VHF 2" instead of flight or intercom every time I power up an airplane.