Straw man argument. We aren't saying we can't ask for a raise we are saying these regional rates don’t mean much to us as far as our negotiations go. These companies need to retain staff RIGHT NOW or they can't train the next group of pilots. No training staffing = no more airline. What sane person would stay at a regional if offered a big 5 job? It might prevent them from going to a LCC but probably not. The regional business model has been broken for a long time. A 40 airplane airline in desperation mode trying to keep the lights on doesn't help us much.