I didn't mean to derail this thread from a safety focus. F9A320Driver brought up safety and the CPO base chiefs and I chimed in with my blurb - which I think is an important issue that SC and BL are totally ignorant of. But it's just one issue in a constellation of stupidity that hiring serious people like KW as CP and putting DW back in charge of the school house would immediately rectify. But what do we know anyway...